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Wednesday, October 7, 2015

a responce to theramantrees' youtube video about cult behavior


https://youtu.be/IaUhR-tRkHY
introspective in relation to some of the stuff you pressent. and i'm curious, what about not-groups- what about the plurality. in this you say that groups use certain tactics like these but what about the rejection of group ideologies. I'm a bigot, and i simply won't read material if it doesn't seem like it could have value. i avoid material which would create conditioning cycles, and this includes the mainstream news organizations. i noticed when i was 9 that i could identify things in articles which were demonstrably false, and i have experiance with reporters where they quoted me incorrectly using the same phrase but adding teh word "not" to make it appear i had beliefs other than i expressed in the interview. subsequent to the interview i was forced to answer for politically contentious beliefs i was attributed to have but did not have, and it sewed distrust. after the experience where i noticed dishonest/misleading/untruthful expression in many other articles, my skepticism was reinforced and became far more critical rationalizing other early childhood memories to make unsociable traits more internally acceptable. beyond news reporters, there was another group i became very bigoted regarding. i identified lots of terrifying little beliefs through 3rd party discussion. for example, in highschool i recognized someone who was a 4.2 student and i asked her what she thought about the hollocaust. and she thought it was a terrible thing to happen to the jews. to avoid confirmation bias i asked follow up questions to her and others (part of the same group) asking what about the hollocaust made the occurance bad. was it bad because it deminished multiculturalism, because racism, because the slaughter of humans, because the religious conciet, because the civilization collapsing infighting creating distrust, ... it wasn't any of those. the problem with the hollocaust was that the people slaughted enmasse were jews, and nothing about the jews was relevant. no aspect or variable associated with juadism/jews had any bearing on the judgement, only that the groups was specifically jewish. and to these individuals if similar happened to any other demographic/religion/creed/race/etc it wouldn't have been foreseeibly bad. ergative grammar in an accusative language is terrifying. back to the topic, this group by finding genocide/culling an acceptable method of interacting with people, caused me to be bigoted regarding their views, and self-isolating against them. later i found out that most of politicians and media pundits have this sociopathic paradigm, and so i've isolated myself against them as well. in your video this isolation of self against views inconsistent with the paradigm to help maintain ideological integrity seems to go beyond groups to even individual people. could you do a followup video to this one, where instead of talking about how people get 'tricked' into these groups you focus on how to accept contempt, and terror regarding confrontation with 'violent heretics'. because here is the thing, beyond dissonance there is the uncanny- things which are similar to us, but not close enough to feel right. and one of my problems dealing with the violent form of ideologue/cultist, is that to them i am that uncanny person with eyes like mouths- and a threat to their cognitive consonance (in your sense). i'd like to be able to confront them civilly, but beyond not laughing at absurd hyperboles it is very difficult to engage with people, or even to recognize if the individual is a person. "small minds talk about preference and sensation, mediocre minds talk about intrigue/politics, and people talk about ideas". but how to you turn the tide against hedonistic and selfrighteous zealotry? i have always been, relative to christianity, an athiest. relative to other paradigms don't matter topically, but you- you were a christian. and in the place you grew up, christianity was the plurality religion, so the same disscontent and disconnect with newspapers and fox news likely occured within you as NBC/ABC/PBS/ETC occured to me. i'd like to de-escalate the perception, in a culty style, where i hear disaggreeable indoctrination in a children's program and i don't feel betrayed or resentful over it. getting to a point where instead of being fully disconnected, i'm connected but apathetic. something you say in this but which i don't think you successfully grapple with, is the reduction of emotional response. you are right that it is a rationalization method to conform people to a dogmatic group but there is power in being calm and collected in the face of adversity- especially violence. and without reducing the experianced stimulous via discipline, you lose the capacity to self protect. another thing which happened to me was 'persecution' because it seemed unfair. and it seemed unfair because my metric for fair treatment (grounded on nondiscrimination) wasn't shared by the arbiter, who said i was guilty regarding some random occurrence due to my biological demographic. i can't really maintain plethora double standards, even though ethically speaking that would be required. so how does one breach personal integrity to have a large diversity of models to simultaneously reference? how do you break, without alowing the model diversity and saturation to reduce individual creativity to the extent you are checking social bullshit models instead of doing empiricle research? how does one become erudite without becoming an academic?

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